Adobe Surveys – Are you guys really in touch with the community?

First let me start off by saying that this is purely a rant post. Ranting is not something I usually do on my blog but I feel that this is warranted.
I just took the time to fill out the Adobe ColdFusion surveys that are listed on blogs all over the place today, I got there from here.
Now I may be taking this a bit personally but in the Platform and Vendor Support survey, there is a question about what framework you use. Now, why would you not list all of the major frameworks there? Yes thats right, Im talking about ColdBox. Instead you have an entry for a framework called cfango? What the hell is that? I did a google for cfango and found an actual project page on riaforge for the project but absolutely no info. No wiki, no blog entries, no code.
This really makes me question how in-tune with the community the people who put these surveys together really are. Im not just upset that ColdBox wasnt in the list and this vaporware framework was, I would be just as upset if FuseBox or ModelGlue or Mach-II wasnt listed. Mainly because it just seems like a half-assed question to me if you are going to provide answers that dont even exist.
Normally Im an Adobe fan boy, this just really tweaked me when I saw it. Surely whoever put those surveys together could have done a better job than that!

8 thoughts on “Adobe Surveys – Are you guys really in touch with the community?”

  1. Yes, you are taking it personally.

    Hang on… FarCry Core is not mentioned as a framework — who the hell do these crazy, out of touch, maniacal, survey writers think they are?!

    Given the relative popularity of frameworks in the community the survey question is totally disconnected from the real world. I bet the CFango team are sleeping their way to the top 😉

  2. Actually Geoff, I dont think frameworks are as popular in the CF community as you may think. I have done work for alot of companies over the past 10 years and you would be amazed at how many CF developers there are out there that have never heard of some of these frameworks.

    I think our perception is sometimes skewed since most of us are an active part of the CF community. For every one of us thats active in the community, there are probably 3 or more that are not. Of course, those people arent going to see that survey anyways so maybe your point is valid.

  3. Based on numbers I’ve gotten for downloads and community sizes around frameworks, I’d estimate only about about 10% of all CFers are using a framework. That’s not too far out of line with other communities tho’ (which may – or may not – surprise you).

    I was ticked that they didn’t list Transfer (or Reactor I suppose). ColdBox has come from nowhere to popular in a short space of time. The 2.x stream only appeared in 2007 and that’s what seems to have taken people’s imaginations. I agree that it’s silly to have cfango there but I don’t agree that they should have known to include ColdBox. The community is passionate but small (and, I admit, growing).

  4. I noticed "cfango", too, and, like you, I also Googled it. I noticed that Coldbox and Transfer were missing. I didn’t notice Reactor… but I did notice that Fusebox was listed as "Fuse Box". I guess it’s better than not getting listed, though.

  5. Whats the hell with cfango?? if you ever used it before i BET you will ignore all other cf frameworks. This one is the most sophisticated CF framework I have seen in CF Community and Model-glue and Mach ii both are like Kids to Cfango.

    Try to use it before criticizing it.

  6. @ Brian K – I would agreee. I wasnt able to find a download either. Not a good way to invite the CF Community to use a framework.

    @ Sean – Wow, 10%? I was thinking maybe 20% but I have nothing to base that on other than my own experiences. You would probably be much closer than my guesstimate and that is pretty disheartening

  7. @russ: I should probably qualify that when I said "relative popularity of frameworks" I meant that the survey’s list of frameworks did not reflect those in common use — not that frameworks were popular relative to development without frameworks 🙂

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